The only way this can't be true is if kaioken doesn't actually make Goku x times stronger. Goku smiles "You are not going at full power yet. Thats how I see it. If it's the low low number of 400g, the bare minimum possibility in this case, that means Beerus was using only .25% in his battle with God Goku. Beerus is universe level, Zeno can destroy all of the universes. Beerus is the first major threat that Goku … @thedemonlord: He didn't know there was going to be a new series, but he did know dragon ball would continue. Episode 10 still showed Goku and Beerus feeling each other out. During the battle, Goku did manage to injure Beerus," the website added. If we assume x 10 Kaio Ken was used, that puts SS Kefla at 200g to 5000g, putting her maximum at 400g or 10,000g. God form is an unknown multiplier, so for now I will use the variable "g". Beerus. This could be even more depending if Beerus is still far above Goku even after the T.O.P. Then SSG Goku and Beerus increased their power level after that. Heck, RoF would be in par with 100% beerus. The fusion multiplier stated on screen comes out to: We then adjust these for Kefla's transformations: 100 x (1000 + 10g) = 100,000 + 1000g. SSB would be 30-40 and SSBKK 20x being 45-60 of his power. If Goku’s Kaioken x20 was matching Frieza, there’s no way Goku could’ve ever had his Kamehameha blocked by Frieza with one handed and Frieza remaining uninjured after. I didnt mean he hasn't got the power of a GoD, i know he has the power of one, what i mean is why does the difference between the two, that of Beerus & Goku seem so large? 0:10. Given that SS3 + SS2 = 500, the Vegito's base form was bare minimum equal to 400 and then with Super Saiyan on top of that putting him at 20,000, this means Vegito was 40 times stronger than the two of them put together. In the movie he used 70% as it was stated by Whis. Your New Year’s Resolution: Write and Publish a Book! 25:51. 3:40 [AMV] BATTLE OF GODS DRAGON BALL Z MOVIE 2013 GOKU VS BILLS LINKIN PARK REMIX ... Goku vs Lord Bills - Dragon Ball Z | Full Fight - (English Sub) Lindsey Aydin. At last, Beerus has arrived on King Kai's Planet. In the anime he had to have been using less than 1% which imo is really dumb and undermines the fight. Watch fullscreen. LSS Caulifla was never god level, since fatigued SSG Goku can take both of them together. The battle is being witnessed by the other fighters and Bulma in a ship in the sky. 12:22. While I do believe he is stronger than him given the fusion, do you believe there is sufficient proof besides the GT guide to support this? Beerus asks if he has heard of the Super Saiyan God, but neither he or King Kai know what it is. What i mean by that is when Beerus uses 10% of his power it is not just 10x stronger than his 1% but more like 20 - 30x stronger. I would say beerus was using 20%. Given that SS3 + SS2 = 500, the Vegito's base form was bare minimum equal to 400 and then with Super Saiyan on top of that putting him at 20,000, this means Vegito was 40 times stronger than the two of them put together. As for Vegito I'm just gonna use what I did for the other thread: That's fair, I just wanted to give a minimum to be safe. Right where Ultra Instinct probably is on this scale considering everything. Regardless of the answer, this goes to prove the scaling of DB Super is guaranteed in the millions by the end of the line, let alone the thousands. Goku was fatigued enough that his SSG form cannot beat base Kefla even though a fresh one could. His form is hairless and while overall defined in built, he is very thin and bony. I don't think it's fair to give a 10x. 7 Results Dragon ball z vs bleach! Add photo 1 Intrude 2 Intro 3 Ichigo Kurosaki 4 Goku 5 Prefight 6 Death Battle! Jiren is confirmed stronger then or at least as strong as Belmod. In anime there is no way to tell, considering Gokou used kaioken x20 and still was useless against Jiren who is around Beerus. … I'm just guesstimating here, but I think he used 20-25% of his power against SSG Goku. From the first episode to the ninth, the story dragged on with a lot of time waster scenes and filler contents. I guess the safest thing is to assume that in her Berserker state, she's much more durable and wouldn't take as much damage even from a blast that strong, but in her LSS form she has focused all that power into speed and strength like a normal fighter, losing that uncontrollable durability and rage in he process. This means he must have used a higher fold of Kaio Ken. Poll Gogeta and Beerus vs MUI Goku and LB Jiren ... far below Beerus at all. 10 Dragon Ball Villains Who Gave Goku … Goku vs Bills Full Fight. And what percentage do you think Blue is? How would you rank this in manga? I don't know if it's safe to assume that a fresh God Goku could beat base Kefkla as there doesn't seem to be any evidence of that. © 2021 GAMESPOT, A RED VENTURES COMPANY. The God of Destruction vs Super Saiyan God," and "Goku, Go Surpass Super Saiyan God!" That's a quarter of one thousandth of 1%. I could go into how I calculated that, but I'll leave that for another post for now. More like this. @alextheboss: you really think that in anime Beerus was using 1% against SSG Goku ? So overall this comes to .1% of Beerus's power minus another 100,000x base form from that. Round 1: Goku starts at SSBKK20, Vegeta starts at SSBE, all are at full power. @gokuandsuperman: IF SSB is around 35-40% beerus power for you , then how is ssbkkx20 only a 45-60 ? @empressofdread: Like I said, it depends if you take he kaioken multiplier seriously or not. If we go with 40,000, the highest number we found, Beerus was fighting using only .0025%. 5:56. SS Blue is confirmed to be the SS of SBG new base form. Indeed, so that's why i don't mind the gap because Goku isn't a true GoD, he might have a form of a GoD but he hasn't got a full state. Dragon ball Z 「AMV」- Goku Vs Lord beerus Full Fight HD™ ... Dragon Ball Xenoverse Mods: Super Saiyan White Goku vs Lord Beerus (AMV) Android4KGamer. Join over 250,000 others to get the top stories curated daily, plus special offers! SSB kaioken isn't in the manga so that should be taken into consideration, but logically kaioken x20 should make Goku 20x stronger. Goku vs Bills Full Fight. That's what I was thinking but it was difficult to explain. After Goku first tapped into the power of Ultra Instinct, Whis himself stated that even Beerus hadn't yet mastered this… It could very well be the normal problems with dragon ball super power levels. SSJ God Goku Vs Lord Bills Beerus & Whis Dragon Ball Z Battle of Z. Beerus Vs Whis. The fight starts off slow and steady, sort of mimicking how Goku needs to adjust to the power that Super Saiyan God grants him while Beerus fights to get Goku to reach his full power so he can finally have the fight with the rival he’s waited almost forty years for. SSJ3 GOKU VS BEERUS FULL FIGHT Dragon Ball Super Episode 5. The only evidence we have so far is that base Kefla is stronger than a weakened God Goku, but there wasn't anything in particular that pointed to the opposite being possible. Beerus used at least 25-30 percent of his power. Beerus would have had to at the most used .1% of his power. Goku wins this fight comfortably. Also I judge that LSS Kefla was definitely in the ballpark as Kaio Ken Goku, given that she managed to trade blows him/knock him out in a single blow (even though he was fatigued of course). Beerus starts socializing with King Kai as Goku, hiding behind a wall, questions his strength. Ah but we're not done yet. Clash! Well as we've been shown there's inconsistencies when it comes to Goku as a "God" because even as of late the GODS still call him a mortal. This is "Goku SSJ GOD vs Beerus Full Fight" by Judith Bays on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them. Beerus is confused on how Goku could have beaten Frieza, since his current … Beerus using 1 percent is a load of bs. Super Saiyan God of Power," is dubbed by Attack of the Fanboy as "the best episode of the season so far." As for comparing Jiren to Beerus, I think that's a fair leap to make. We then adjust these for Kefla's transformations: 100 x (1000 + 10g) = 100,000 + 1000gSo overall this comes to .1% of Beerus's power minus another 100,000x base form from that. I’m going to have to play devil’s advocate here so take my opinion as you will. Now, I've calculated Goku's God Form to be somewhere between 1-4 million, so if you want to have an even cooler answer based on that, Beerus was only using .0001% of his power against SS3 Goku before any of this happened. So this would explain the difference between the two because both cannot be allowed in the same form without differing them somehow, unless you believe Goku was holding back significantly during that blast. 4:01. Browse more videos. Goku was fatigued enough that his SSG form cannot beat base Kefla even though a fresh one could. If my bare minimum to defeat someone was 10%, why would I settle for 10%? I dont know, it's confusing ! Jiren is stronger than his GoD but he is not a god. 4:25. If we focus on Kefla alone, we can use the fusion multiplier to get some answers. LSS Kefla would be about same as a fresh SSB Goku, but IMO definitely not x10 Goku. It is similar to episode 5, although the animation was far better here," the website said. Beerus Vs Whis. But Beerus being brought into the mix changes things. That's a quarter of 1%. https://animeact.com for latest episode.Please don't forget subscribe guys. No proof that Beerus used that much and even said he used 10 percent to demolish Vegeta. @trololololol: It's just the writers not knowing what they are doing. The "70% power" quote was taken from Battle of Gods prior to the release of DragonBall Super. Do you want award-winning journalism with a Christian worldview, delivered to your inbox? I have to stick with Sonic on this one. Super Saiyan Blue is at minimum 2g and more than likely 50g since it is Super Saiyan stacked onto Super Saiyan God. I think it is similar tot he movie, but I'm not sure if it's exactly the same. Goku was 60% of Beerus, but Beerus used 70% to beat him. @djudgment: Power creep and the fact Toriyama didn't want want them to be stronger than Beerus. Beerus. 3:27. March 20, 2020. So this is Ultra Instinct's highest possible limit so far. And that's using the low multiplier. I was just wondering if you were doing it based on that or something else. If he used even 1% in Beerus arc, then current goku would easily above beerus. This would explain why Goku even with KKx20 isn't stronger than Beerus. So at best we'd be assuming Ultra Instinct just hasn't reached its full potential yet by making it equal to Jiren at all. I mean, the GT guide referring to Gogeta as dozens of times stronger than SS4 Goku is the strongest indicator of the Fusion Dance multiplier, but most people have a problem with using GT stuff in this power scaling. That's a quarter of one thousandth of 1%. Anime fans also rejoiced because of the better animation in this episode, compared to the amateurish animation in the last episodes. Goku is still fighting pretty hard given his lack of stamina so it's hard to judge how much stronger he would be at maximum. If we assume x 20 Kaio Ken was used against Kefla, that puts her even to 400g or 20,000g in SS, then 800g or 40,000g in SS2. Beerus has never been presented as more than universe level. This is more like it, as it falls within the realm of possibility and matches up with his previous maximum. LSS Kefla would be about same as a fresh SSB Goku, but IMO definitely not x10 Goku. anywhere near negative infinity but not as low as whis GG. If we assume Ultra Instinct is relatively equal to Jiren, which is equal to Gods of Destruction aka Beerus, then this is where we need to start our fractions. 3:50. After a number of filler episodes, "Dragon Ball Super" finally got to show the much-awaited battle scene between Goku and Beerus in episode 10. 2:01. Of course those numbers are purely theoretical. If we keep the original scale Toriyama gave us and then use the manga I think it would go like this. It looks like the fight between the two will continue in the series since episode 12 and 13 are titled "The Universe Crumbles?! After a number of filler episodes, "Dragon Ball Super" finally got to show the much-awaited battle scene between Goku and Beerus in episode 10. @trololololol: No because SSG Goku isn't close to universe level that was BS. That means if Goku literally didn't get an ounce stronger since the BoG arc Beerus had to be using less than 1% of his power in that fight. That's true, I was just trying to do the low end to illustrate the point. respectively. @gokuandsuperman: Except when he used 10 percent he 1 fingered Vegeta. In spite of developing a serious illness, and the vet declaring it didn’t have long to live, it miraculously got better on its own, and the vet said it might be some kind of demon. I guess I'll need to draw out more of my power if I want to force you to use 100 percent." Think of it this way if Beerus legit didn't exist, and there was some other threat to the universe instead, we could have literally kept going and going with the power scaling and legit nobody would care. Goku fighting Beerus in 'Dragon Ball Super' Episode 10. And as of such weve seen other characters such as Kale, Hit & Jiren contend with Goku, again showing this form is far from what it should be. And 10,000g is a fair assessment, it falls on the low end without being too far out of the range I predicted. The God of Destruction challenged the Saiyan hero like no one in the Dragon Ball Z era ever had, forcing Goku … Virumi. Not even 1%, .1%. Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube. They actually could of kept the same power scale if they just didn't spam new forms and power ups in the anime. And let's not forget it was determined that Goku got 10 times stronger after tying with Hit without using Kaio Ken. Thank you That's very possible, that's one of the more frustrating parts about this. This is more like it, as it falls within the realm of possibility and matches up with his previous maximum. Goku goes for a left but Beerus dodges it and Goku uses his momentum to try and kick Beerus in the face but he blocks Goku's kick with his forearm, kicking Goku in the gut and knocking him away. Then assuming that Kaio Ken Goku is more or less equal to SS Kefla, and that Ultra Instinct is bare minimum equal to SS2 Kefla, we can determine this:If you assume Kaio Ken was not folded in that fight, it means SS Kefla was equal to 40g or 1000g. Log in. @alextheboss: I'm pretty sure it was 60% in the movie. Vados said Kefla is tens of times stronger than her parts combined. Seeing your numbers I am mostly in agreement, as I side with every statement. @alextheboss: but its just in theory right. Beerus is a purple anthropomorphic cat with golden yellow eyes and large pointed ears. Akira probably had no plans for a new series and thus, didn't foresee the consequences of making Ssj god THAT powerful. 9 Can’t Beat: Beerus’ Full Power Still Hasn’t Been Seen. Dragon Ball Super Episode 12 Review Goku vs Lord Beerus The Dragons are Rioting! That's also fair. I disagree that Super Saiyan God Goku was anywhere near as strong as whatever percent Beerus was using against him, as Beerus’ goal was obviously to be defeating Goku not matching him. And as of such weve seen other characters such as Kale, Hit & Jiren contend with Goku, again showing this form is far from what it should be. Then assuming that Kaio Ken Goku is more or less equal to SS Kefla, and that Ultra Instinct is bare minimum equal to SS2 Kefla, we can determine this: If you assume Kaio Ken was not folded in that fight, it means SS Kefla was equal to 40g or 1000g. He grows old and dies and has no god ki unless in his god form. If we assume Ultra Instinct is relatively equal to Jiren, which is equal to Gods of Destruction aka Beerus, then this is where we need to start our fractions. If we compare all the Gods of Destruction on even footing, which is fair, then Jiren could definitely be compared to Beerus. Ultra Instinct is probably not equal to Jiren. In the movie Beerus used 70% as Whis stated. Do you think it stayed the same like in the movie? Then obviously unmaster UI increasing his power to at least close to Beerus. I think that there is not a linear way to calculate that. 3:57 [AMV]BEERUS/BILLS VS SON GOKU GOD & VEGETA SSJ! The two are expected to go all out in the next episode titled "Let's Keep Going Beerus-sama!". Blue Super saiyan God goku vs Blue Vegeta vs Lord beerus and whis fight DBZ2015 Revival of f. Beerus Vs Whis. Sonic is a Multiversal threat in his Super Form. After all, they were trading blows pretty evenly, so speed wise I think they're pretty equal (Probably, since we haven't since Jiren go all out yet). If we focus on Kefla alone, we can use the fusion multiplier to get some answers. This means he must have used a higher fold of Kaio Ken.If we assume x 10 Kaio Ken was used, that puts SS Kefla at 200g to 5000g, putting her maximum at 400g or 10,000g. The strongest he's ever seen Beerus is either during his fight with him as a Super Saiyan God or Beerus' squabble with Champa. Ah but we're not done yet. Why not use 30% and make victory 3x more certain? Goku has never seen Beerus at full strength, though. Episode 9, for example, took 10 minutes just to show Goku becoming a Super Saiyan God. That would also explain how MUI Goku would be stronger than Beerus. Who won the battle between Goku and Beerus in 'Dragon Ball Super?'. Akira could have easily just had Goku himself show some flashy feat, have Beerus completely stomp him in an epic way that still makes the fight entertaining(like Vegeta vs Jiren for example) then people wouldn't immediately associate feats with "god level" status, therefore hyping up certain skirmishes in ways that shouldn't be done. This is exactly like the fan assumption that Goku using Kaioken x20 against Frieza was equal to 50% of Frieza’s full power because they think Goku was that strong. New Movies on Demand ‘The War With Grandpa’ ‘Greenland’ ‘Tenet’ + More. In movie Toriyama said 60% and imo this didnt changed in the manga. Goku vs Lord Bills - Dragon Ball Z | Full Fight - (English Sub) Search. If we assume SS2 Kefla is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct, which is then compared to Beerus levels, we can find other comparisons. "Goku blasted a powerful Kamehameha on Beerus, however he could manage to beat it. Applying multiplication .... Goku should be 800 % Beerus' power if he was 40 in regular SSB. Dragon Ball Z: Battle of Z - | Super Saiyan God Goku Vs God of Destruction Beerus/ Bills |【FULL HD】 ... Dragon Ball Xenoverse-Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta Vs. Beerus and Whis. Vegito Blue = Base Vegito x Goku Blue = 512 000 000x (lowball). One of Goku’s goals in Dragon Ball Super is to surpass Beerus, but it’s possible that the Saiyan hero already has. If Goku wasn't strong and started fight with Beerus. And I'm assuming you meant Kale was never god level. @alextheboss: was there any proof given for beerus being at 1% whats this about kk multiplier I am not remembering it. Well let's go multiplier by multiplier to hash this out: God form is an unknown multiplier, so for now I will use the variable "g".Super Saiyan Blue is at minimum 2g and more than likely 50g since it is Super Saiyan stacked onto Super Saiyan God.Then Kaio Ken x 20 pushes that to either 40g or 1000g. The kaioken x10 and x20 made things much worse. And that's if SSB is only 5x SSG and if Goku didn't get stronger since then. Given the terminology, it's somewhere in between 20x-90x in actuality. "It was just Beerus vs Super Saiyan God Goku from the get go. If we assume SS2 Kefla is relatively equal to Ultra Instinct, which is then compared to Beerus levels, we can find other comparisons. As it stands Goku > Jiren > Gods. But if we consider SSB to be a 2-5x multiplier then it would be different than the movies. So her max would be 80g to 2000g. We've finally reached that ceiling where the mortals are approaching that power level, or even surpassed it. Beerus was likely using a substantial amount. If we use Vegito as an example, this fusion multiplier should actually be 40 x (a + b). Goku vs Bills God of Destruction Full Fight. Do you want award-winning journalism with a, President Biden says unity is 'the path forward' in inaugural address, Wearing purple, ‘Amazing Grace,’ few protests: 5 notable things that happened on Inauguration Day, LeeBeth Young, firstborn child of megachurch Pastor Ed Young, passes, Christian leaders react to Biden's inauguration: Praying for the country 'knows no politics', An evangelical leader’s open letter to President Biden, A concise biblical evaluation of Critical Theory, Promise Keepers Announces First-Ever Men’s Marriage Summit. This doesn't match up as Goku's maximum was already higher than this. That would be about 10000g with minimal headcanon. 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